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." one reason nbc was dumping leno because he made jokes about president obama and less openly liberal than david letterman. anything to the political overtones in this? >> politics in network television? i can't imagine. >> it's a ridiculous argument. but the mothership, particularly at late night because leno did a couple more jokes at the expense of the president isn't going to give them reason to get rid of their number one guy in the time slot. >> jay leno since he took over for johnny carson in 1992, made zillions of dollars for nbc went along the first time when he moved to 10:00 in primetime and built "the tonight show" back up to number one. naive question so far. there's no gratitude or loyalty in television and all about who you think the next big star is, right? >> right. and, also, they need -- fallon does not get that slot, you know, he'll go somewhere else. he'll go to cbs when dave retires. so, they're looking at jay as the guy on the down slope of his career and looking at fallon at the resurgeant and the future of the franchise. >> if you want to use a sports analogy,
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